N.Y.C. ‘Segregated’ Condo Gets Green Light For Separate Entrance For Poor Residents

[Gen]

no. not there.

Gen, check my earlier post in this thread with the linlk to the New York Post article.

[Pepper]

If i lived in a condo how would the income of my neighbour affect my property value?

Demographic statistics. Just like how two buildings built with the exact same specs, one with white residents and one with minorities will have two very different property values.

[Pepper]

this is a c-op building ...based on my understanding of what a co-op is everybody has a share. sounds like you are advocating come are more equal than others

if i buy in now for $X and 5 years down the road you buy in for 10X does that mean you now have access to facilities that i don't have access to?

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I doubt everyone will be paying the same about of monthly dues. Those who pay more get more.

[Pepper]

I really don't see how this is different from what happens in just about every other venue.

VIP entrances to the club

Gold Club/Executive Level airline frequent flyer lounges. (the new big planes have two entrances, one for coach or economy as dem a call it lately, and one for first and business class)

Private entrances for those using a personal shopper at a dept store

Marble floored, doorman holding entrance for rich residents; buzz me up when you hear my voice on the intercom for those who have less.

[My Looh]

If i lived in a condo how would the income of my neighbour affect my property value?

cif that dis happen would it be reasonable for me to expect that the lower income residents not be allowed to use the park ?

I was posing a hypothetical to Rich specifically, not relating that to the building in NYC. Sorry, I'm not understang the second part of your question about residents not being able to use the park. Is there a park that people are not allowed to use?

[RichD]

I really don't see how this is different from what happens in just about every other venue.

VIP entrances to the club

Gold Club/Executive Level airline frequent flyer lounges. (the new big planes have two entrances, one for coach or economy as dem a call it lately, and one for first and business class)

Private entrances for those using a personal shopper at a dept store

Marble floored, doorman holding entrance for rich residents; buzz me up when you hear my voice on the intercom for those who have less.

well lets expand it....paved roads for the people with expensive homes on the street. the owners of the smaller homes have to park at the mall and walk home..as for the renters...they have to crawl on glass bottle

[RichD]

I was posing a hypothetical to Rich specifically, not relating that to the building in NYC. Sorry, I'm not understang the second part of your question about residents not being able to use the park. Is there a park that people are not allowed to use?

just like you i was trying to make an absurd analogy

[RichD]

Demographic statistics. Just like how two buildings built with the exact same specs, one with white residents and one with minorities will have two very different property values.

so dem should keep out the blacks?

in my view ..if the entrance was the same who would be able to identify owners from renters? what about renters who renting from owners ?

[My Looh]

OK so if these two buildings were side by side (for all intent and purposes they are) and share the same roof, one building for renters and one building for condo owners. The people that live in the rental building should be able to come over and enjoy the facilites such as the pool and gym etc.. in the building where people have purchased units?

If you own a house with a pool in the back yard and next door to you live a guy that rents a house, he has the right to come over and use your pool?

[My Looh]

so dem should keep out the blacks?

in my view ..if the entrance was the same who would be able to identify owners from renters? what about renters who renting from owners ?

The renters and the owners should not share the same entrance. Renters do not have the pride of ownership as do owners. It is not because generally they have lower incomes it is because there is pride in ownership, it is human nature. if you have a stake in it you take care of it. The owners can have the use of a entrance that they can take pride in, while the renters (in many cases, not all) don't give a rat's *** about because they have no ownership of anything.

You bring up a good point though, what about the people who rent from the owners. I wonder if there is a clause in the purchase agreement that states that is not allowed. Just wondering out loud.

[RichD]

OK so if these two buildings were side by side (for all intent and purposes they are) and share the same roof, one building for renters and one building for condo owners. The people that live in the rental building should be able to come over and enjoy the facilites such as the pool and gym etc.. in the building where people have purchased units?

If you own a house with a pool in the back yard and next door to you live a guy that rents a house, he has the right to come over and use your pool?

of course the guy who rents next door can't come use my pool..but if he owned and drove a bentley sure he can

one of the funny things about this story is the developer got concession to build excess units beyond what the regular zoning would allow. but he "saved" up these concession to either sell later or use on another project.....its all about intents and purposes.

[My Looh]

I really don't see how this is different from what happens in just about every other venue.

VIP entrances to the club

Gold Club/Executive Level airline frequent flyer lounges. (the new big planes have two entrances, one for coach or economy as dem a call it lately, and one for first and business class)

Private entrances for those using a personal shopper at a dept store

Marble floored, doorman holding entrance for rich residents; buzz me up when you hear my voice on the intercom for those who have less.

Exactly!

I belonged to the local Y years ago. I had the basic membership which was very affordable. Members who could afford to pay more had the "plus" membership. They had a lounge, a big screen TV in the change rooms, coffe bar, towel service, shaving and shower soaps, creams, shampoos and razors provided etc... . They had a private spa area too. I had none of that and I was totally OK with it because I was paying less for less service. Both the plus members and we basic members had areas side by side, under the same roof but it was not a problem. They had a lock on their door so I could not access their facilities, but I never felt I had some kind of entitlement to.

[RichD]

Exactly!

I belonged to the local Y years ago. I had the basic membership which was very affordable. Members who could afford to pay more had the "plus" membership. They had a lounge, a big screen TV in the change rooms, coffe bar, towel service, shaving and shower soaps, creams, shampoos and razors provided etc... . They had a private spa area too. I had none of that and I was totally OK with it because I was paying less for less service. Both the plus members and we basic members had areas side by side, under the same roof but it was not a problem. They had a lock on their door so I could not access their facilities, but I never felt I had some kind of entitlement to.

the Y offers membership assistance tho people who cannot afford to pay the full cost of a general membership..do you think those people should have been excluded from any of the facilities you as another general member were entitled to?

[My Looh]

The Y runs a two tier operation just as the folks who share the management of this building in New York. I see nothing wrong with the way either does business. In both cases people are separated to some extent and in most cases it's due to income. What difference does it make if the lower income folks are among the working poor or receiving assistance, they are both at the lower end of the income scale.

[Blackstar*]

Based on my experience renting and owning in Paris, it would make more sense to mix up the different types of housing rather than having them on separate floors with separate entrances and facilities.